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Looking for Adidas: Laila Ali vs. Mohammed Ali 2004

Submitted by Onni on Sun, 02/22/2004 - 15:02.

funny that some are on 16mm.. smile



Maybe it*s sortof like when a used-record shop sells used albums? Somehow, that must have been legal - I found many a great out of print stuff in dusty used-music shops.


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Submitted by Onni on Tue, 02/10/2004 - 19:33.

This is one great commercial. Can anyone help me get this one.



I am also looking for the one where ali, his daughter, tracy mcgrady, david beckham i think, maurice green all jogging together.



Your help will be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance!



PZ

Submitted by Onni on Wed, 02/11/2004 - 21:21.

The commercials are called



adidas "Ali v. Ali" 60 Second Commercial



adidas "The Long Run" 60 Second Commercial



Submitted by Robblink on Wed, 02/11/2004 - 23:28.

The Adidas "Impossible is Nothing" campaign can be viewed here



http//www.thenewsmarket.com/NewsRoom/Storydetails.aspx?Id=715



However, it looks like you have to go through a free registration screen.



Good luck!

Submitted by Onni on Thu, 02/12/2004 - 19:27.

I tried to registrate but I got an email back that I didn*t belong to their target audience and so the cancelled my account. frown



So again I hope some here can help me!

Submitted by Robblink on Thu, 02/12/2004 - 21:50.

You can always go directly to the source



http//www.adidas.com/campaigns/iin/content/iin.html



It*s streaming video here.

Submitted by Onni on Sat, 02/14/2004 - 12:16.

thanks for the heads up on the link, but is there a way to rip them, so I can use them for my thesis presentation?

Submitted by Robblink on Sat, 02/14/2004 - 15:31.

Nope. Maybe your best bet would be to go to the news link and sign up "properly" and download the campaign.

Submitted by adland123 on Thu, 02/19/2004 - 03:24.

Some further analysis of this site reavealed



1.

<img src="http//www.groovytrain.com/tracker/tracker.asp?site=8&countrycode=XX&rndNum=0.84562

2" width="1" height="1" alt="" >



FYI they are tracking your site visits as shown above using a 1 pixel image trick

see line above and are using cookies



2.

the streams are in a macromedia .flv format instead of a standard quicktime .mov etc



and are delivered using some macromedia rtmpt protocol from server C

obtained using the cgi script output from server B.



(server A is the main adidas page)



you may also need flash 7 for this site as well.

the rtmpt based flv streams were not working for me with flash 6.



Enjoy

Submitted by Onni on Thu, 02/19/2004 - 19:42.

Thanks for the info (even if i don*t have a clue what it means =) ), but I see the commercials have been posted on the site. Thanks anyway!

Submitted by adland123 on Thu, 02/19/2004 - 20:31.


I will try to simplify the post into english



you asked about ripping / downloading the streams for use in your presentation



my analysis of doing this

1. this ia a bad site to visit if you care about web surfing privacy

2. the videos are on a different machine and are not directly linked

so finding where to download the video data is not simple but was doable.



3. if you wanted to download the videos off their site then



a. code a tool to use their (macromedia) proprietary rtmpt protocol for the download.

(unless the flash player caches/stores them on your machine in tmp dir)



b. you could have to convert to a more standard video format after you had them



it is good someone uploaded them here for you and saved you the trouble



sorry for my earlier technical description

Submitted by Dabitch on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 13:19.

Heya Onni



Just to clarify in case anyone is under the impression we followed aland123*s advice there... We get our commercials sent to us from the agency, production house, etc - and don*t do any (by the sound of it) really complicated download image, download sound and match back together again hacks here.



As that youknow, wouldn*t be legal. Just a thought. wink

Submitted by adland123 on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 21:27.

Sorry



I just meant to say it is not possible now to download such proprietary video streams versus say a mpeg over regular http.



Question

Does "fair use" not cover using snippets of commercials in a scholarly paper as long as credit for source is given.

I thought it was legal to do so like using quotes from books.





Submitted by Dabitch on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 21:46.

hehehe, we*re talking past each other.. I was just saying that we don*t do that here - it would go directly against the legal disclaimers posted at such sites. Just wanted to make that clear, we get our ads from the agencies and/or the production companies involved etc.
)

Fair use is under US copyright law was created so that parody, commentary, news reporting and even scholarly papers as per your scenario and research, etc could be created about copyrighted works, without the permission of the author of said work. This is so that the copyright law doesn*t block your freedom to express your own works, reviews repostings, a parody, whatnot. The copyright law is only there to prevent you from expressing other peoples works without informing the author of said work. In other words, showing someone else*s flash film on your site without permission, is not fair use. Using snippets of X*s flash film within your flash film
that parodies their flash film, well that could be Fair use. As always, intent and damage to any commercial value of the work you are reproducing
has to be taken into consideration.

Short and easy rule of thumb Copying the whole thing; the whole commercial, the entire book, all the code and graphics of one website, is not fair use at all.



Heres a good link about fair use


Fair Use of Copyrighted Works
A Crucial Element in Educating America

Submitted by Dabitch on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 21:52.

*fixes lots of bad spellings* Sheesh, whats wrong with my spelling as of late?



Also a thing to take into consideration is where you will display said work. Say you hack together a collection of commercials and keep on your own hard drive to amuse yourself and your adgeeky freinds, thats not a problem - create a DVD for sale or something similar with that collection and you will have one, since the copyright holders didn*t say yes to that, and it*s still their work. Make a presentation for school with it and you might get an A - broadcast it on TV and youll likely get fined/and/or sued. Probably.



grin

Submitted by Dabitch on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 21:58.

apparantly I cant even make a link properly these days. Anyway, the fair use thing is here



http//www.cetus.org/fairindex.html



grin

Submitted by Dabitch on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 22:08.

As for downloading video streams the way you described, I*m a dolt I still haven*t managed t get the hang of it. razz

Submitted by adland123 on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 22:51.

Your topic on the copying and selling/rebroadcast of videos is common sense to me.



But I have seen places which make money selling tapes of vintage commercials and/or TV shows.



Websites and Ebay have such items for $10-$35+ each.



It is not clear any of them asked permission of anyone to do so.









Submitted by Dabitch on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 23:15.

Yeah I was going on a little bit of rant there I think....sorry... Got carried away! Got a lot of requests this week from TV-show, festivals and the likes that wanted to buy ads off of adland here to air. I have to explain to them that I*m not the person to ask - It*s not like I ran around getting permission to shell out other peoples permissions. wink) hahaha!



I*ve always wondered about them ebay ads-collections myself really. Nobody*s been sued yet AFAIK, oh and i probably should add IANAL. razz hahaha!

Submitted by blabla on Fri, 02/20/2004 - 23:50.

Where are these Ebay ad collections of which you speaketh? I never find any. No fair!

Submitted by adland123 on Sat, 02/21/2004 - 08:48.

its very easy type in keyword commercials for a search as an example



I am not condoning the purchase of any such items from ebay.



example

COKE TV Commercials SUPER DVD Coca-Cola

COKE TV Commercials vol 2 Coca Cola Mean Joe

~ CLASSIC TV COMMERCIALS VHS VIDEO ~NO S&H!~

OLDSMOBILE TV COMMERCIALS 1948-1955 VHS VIDEO

Rare Disney and Flintstones commercials look

18 - 1970*s 16mm Commercials

20 - 1970*s 16mm Commercials